FW: Announcement draft for IROWG - WG III action
Dear IROWG colleagues, At the latest Coordination Group for Meteorological Satellites (CGMS) plenary meeting (June 2026), IROWG was notified that CGMS Working Group III (WGIII) tasked IROWG with coordinating a scientific assessment of the impact of the decline in COSMIC-2 radio occultation (RO) observations expected as the constellation ages. The IROWG assessment is to inform the next WGIII Risk Assessment Workshop (24–26 February 2027). FYI, IROWG is under CGMS-WGII (Satellite data and products), while WGIII is the Working Group on Operational Continuity and Contingency Planning. The action reads: Action # Actionee AGN item Description Action feedback/closing document Deadline Status 54.01p_wgiii IROWG WGIII IROWG to assess the impact of the decline in COSMIC data availability, possibly distinguishing between the respective contributions of low- and medium-inclination orbit, and analysing the number of RO required to mitigate the risk 4 June 2026 - A follow-up call will be arranged to better understand how the action item supports agency priorities - IROWG can help coordinate an assessment - The timeline for completing the assessment depends on the detailed plan for conducting the assessment End of 2026 (9th WGIII RAWS: 24-26 Feb 2027) OPEN WGIII has indicated that “we do not need IROWG to weigh in on the potential acquisitions strategies for data, but rather to provide information about what data is needed to maintain capabilities and/or mitigate loss of COSMIC-2.The purpose of the action is for IROWG to provide information to WGIII in advance of the next Risk Assessment to inform WGIII discussion/evaluation of risk posed by degradation/loss of COSMIC-2 and, if needed, discussion of potential contingencies to mitigate loss of COSMIC-2. The questions WGIII would like the IROWG to answer are: 1. From a scientific perspective, what is the minimum number of equatorial (low inclination) RO needed to maintain current performance of operational NWP 2. Define what they mean by low inclination (clarify the orbital characteristics for low inclination so we can be sure we are all talking about the same thing) 3. Identify if there are options to use increases in the number of non-low inclination RO to mitigate the loss of COSMIC 2 and if so, to be specific about how many additional occultations (be specific about number and distribution needed). " The IROWG Co-Chairs will meet with WGIII shortly after IROWG-11 (September 2026) to provide an update on the community's progress. Therefore, we would like to begin gathering relevant information before the workshop and continue the discussion during IROWG-11. We would greatly appreciate hearing from anyone who has: * existing publications, reports, or presentations relevant to the impact of declining COSMIC-2 observations; * ongoing studies or planned work related to this topic; * operational or research experience that could help inform the scientific assessment. We recognize that IROWG is an international scientific working group, and contributions are entirely voluntary. Existing analyses, ongoing work, and expert perspectives are all valuable. If there is sufficient interest, the IROWG Co-Chairs would also be happy to organize an informal community discussion before IROWG-11 to exchange ideas and help facilitate discussion during the workshop. If you have relevant material or would like to contribute to this assessment, please contact the IROWG Co-Chairs at your convenience. Thank you in advance for your help and for supporting this community effort. Best regards, Hui Shao and Uli Foelsche, IROWG Co-Chairs Tony Mannucci, IROWG Rapporteur
Yes, PlanetiQ would like to participate in this assessment. Regards, On Thu, Jul 16, 2026 at 1:15 PM Mannucci, Anthony J (US 3620) via Announcements <announcements@lists.irowg.org> wrote:
Dear IROWG colleagues, At the latest Coordination Group for Meteorological Satellites (CGMS) plenary meeting (June 2026), IROWG was notified that CGMS Working Group III (WGIII) tasked IROWG with coordinating a scientific assessment of the impact of the decline in COSMIC-2 radio occultation (RO) observations expected as the constellation ages. The IROWG assessment is to inform the next WGIII Risk Assessment Workshop (24–26 February 2027). FYI, IROWG is under CGMS-WGII (Satellite data and products), while WGIII is the Working Group on Operational Continuity and Contingency Planning. The action reads:
*Action #*
*Actionee*
*AGN item*
*Description*
*Action feedback/closing document*
*Deadline*
*Status*
*54.01p_wgiii*
IROWG
WGIII
IROWG to assess the impact of the decline in COSMIC data availability, possibly distinguishing between the respective contributions of low- and medium-inclination orbit, and analysing the number of RO required to mitigate the risk
4 June 2026 - A follow-up call will be arranged to better understand how the action item supports agency priorities - IROWG can help coordinate an assessment - The timeline for completing the assessment depends on the detailed plan for conducting the assessment
End of 2026
(9th WGIII RAWS: 24-26 Feb 2027)
*OPEN*
WGIII has indicated that “we do not need IROWG to weigh in on the potential acquisitions strategies for data, but rather to provide information about what data is needed to maintain capabilities and/or mitigate loss of COSMIC-2.The purpose of the action is for IROWG to provide information to WGIII in advance of the next Risk Assessment to inform WGIII discussion/evaluation of risk posed by degradation/loss of COSMIC-2 and, if needed, discussion of potential contingencies to mitigate loss of COSMIC-2. The questions WGIII would like the IROWG to answer are:
1. >From a scientific perspective, what is the minimum number of equatorial (low inclination) RO needed to maintain current performance of operational NWP 2. Define what they mean by low inclination (clarify the orbital characteristics for low inclination so we can be sure we are all talking about the same thing) 3. Identify if there are options to use increases in the number of non-low inclination RO to mitigate the loss of COSMIC 2 and if so, to be specific about how many additional occultations (be specific about number and distribution needed). "
The IROWG Co-Chairs will meet with WGIII shortly after IROWG-11 (September 2026) to provide an update on the community's progress. Therefore, we would like to begin gathering relevant information before the workshop and continue the discussion during IROWG-11.
We would greatly appreciate hearing from anyone who has:
- existing publications, reports, or presentations relevant to the impact of declining COSMIC-2 observations; - ongoing studies or planned work related to this topic; - operational or research experience that could help inform the scientific assessment.
We recognize that IROWG is an international scientific working group, and contributions are entirely voluntary. Existing analyses, ongoing work, and expert perspectives are all valuable.
If there is sufficient interest, the IROWG Co-Chairs would also be happy to organize an informal community discussion before IROWG-11 to exchange ideas and help facilitate discussion during the workshop.
If you have relevant material or would like to contribute to this assessment, please contact the IROWG Co-Chairs at your convenience.
Thank you in advance for your help and for supporting this community effort.
Best regards, Hui Shao and Uli Foelsche, IROWG Co-Chairs Tony Mannucci, IROWG Rapporteur
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Dear Tony, Here is a paper Nikki Prive, I, and others submitted to Earth and Space Science that is relevant. Lidia also wrote a relevant paper and submitted it to Mon. Wea. Rev., but she should send it to you if she wishes. It's title is *The Value of Radio Occultation Data in Global NWP: An OSSE on the Impact of Profile Volume, Geographical Distribution, and Satellite Bias Correction.* My takeaway from both of these papers is that the number of observations is more important than their distribution for NWP. However, there are advantages to nearly uniform geographical and temporal coverage. With all satellites in the same polar orbits, there are gaps in local time coverage and this can be important in NWP for specific cases, such as tropical cyclone formation. Even though all local time coverage is of relatively minor importance to NWP, it is much more important for climate and essential for space weather. All considered, a mix of low- and high- inclination constellations is optimal for all purposes, and our 20K profiles per day number is still a good goal. I am sorry I won't be at the IROWG meeting in September. Rick Dr.Richard A. Anthes President Emeritus University Corporation for Atmospheric Research 3090 Center Green Drive Boulder, CO 80301 Office: FL-4 Room 3248 Phone: 303-497-2617 Fax: 303-497-2610 On Thu, Jul 16, 2026 at 1:15 PM Mannucci, Anthony J (US 3620) via Announcements <announcements@lists.irowg.org> wrote:
Dear IROWG colleagues, At the latest Coordination Group for Meteorological Satellites (CGMS) plenary meeting (June 2026), IROWG was notified that CGMS Working Group III (WGIII) tasked IROWG with coordinating a scientific assessment of the impact of the decline in COSMIC-2 radio occultation (RO) observations expected as the constellation ages. The IROWG assessment is to inform the next WGIII Risk Assessment Workshop (24–26 February 2027). FYI, IROWG is under CGMS-WGII (Satellite data and products), while WGIII is the Working Group on Operational Continuity and Contingency Planning. The action reads:
*Action #*
*Actionee*
*AGN item*
*Description*
*Action feedback/closing document*
*Deadline*
*Status*
*54.01p_wgiii*
IROWG
WGIII
IROWG to assess the impact of the decline in COSMIC data availability, possibly distinguishing between the respective contributions of low- and medium-inclination orbit, and analysing the number of RO required to mitigate the risk
4 June 2026 - A follow-up call will be arranged to better understand how the action item supports agency priorities - IROWG can help coordinate an assessment - The timeline for completing the assessment depends on the detailed plan for conducting the assessment
End of 2026
(9th WGIII RAWS: 24-26 Feb 2027)
*OPEN*
WGIII has indicated that “we do not need IROWG to weigh in on the potential acquisitions strategies for data, but rather to provide information about what data is needed to maintain capabilities and/or mitigate loss of COSMIC-2.The purpose of the action is for IROWG to provide information to WGIII in advance of the next Risk Assessment to inform WGIII discussion/evaluation of risk posed by degradation/loss of COSMIC-2 and, if needed, discussion of potential contingencies to mitigate loss of COSMIC-2. The questions WGIII would like the IROWG to answer are:
1. >From a scientific perspective, what is the minimum number of equatorial (low inclination) RO needed to maintain current performance of operational NWP 2. Define what they mean by low inclination (clarify the orbital characteristics for low inclination so we can be sure we are all talking about the same thing) 3. Identify if there are options to use increases in the number of non-low inclination RO to mitigate the loss of COSMIC 2 and if so, to be specific about how many additional occultations (be specific about number and distribution needed). "
The IROWG Co-Chairs will meet with WGIII shortly after IROWG-11 (September 2026) to provide an update on the community's progress. Therefore, we would like to begin gathering relevant information before the workshop and continue the discussion during IROWG-11.
We would greatly appreciate hearing from anyone who has:
- existing publications, reports, or presentations relevant to the impact of declining COSMIC-2 observations; - ongoing studies or planned work related to this topic; - operational or research experience that could help inform the scientific assessment.
We recognize that IROWG is an international scientific working group, and contributions are entirely voluntary. Existing analyses, ongoing work, and expert perspectives are all valuable.
If there is sufficient interest, the IROWG Co-Chairs would also be happy to organize an informal community discussion before IROWG-11 to exchange ideas and help facilitate discussion during the workshop.
If you have relevant material or would like to contribute to this assessment, please contact the IROWG Co-Chairs at your convenience.
Thank you in advance for your help and for supporting this community effort.
Best regards, Hui Shao and Uli Foelsche, IROWG Co-Chairs Tony Mannucci, IROWG Rapporteur
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Thanks for these results! I am forwarding this also to Hui Shao and Uli Foelsche. We’ll want to discuss this at the IROWG meeting. -Tony From: Richard Anthes via Announcements <announcements@lists.irowg.org> Date: Sunday, July 26, 2026 at 11:06 AM To: Mannucci, Anthony J (US 3620) via Announcements <announcements@lists.irowg.org> Cc: Prive, Nikki C. (GSFC-610.1)[MORGAN STATE UNIV.] <nikki.prive@nasa.gov>; Cucurull, Lidia <Lidia.Cucurull@noaa.gov>; Richard Anthes <anthes@ucar.edu> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [IROWG Announcements] Re: FW: Announcement draft for IROWG - WG III action Dear Tony, Here is a paper Nikki Prive, I, and others submitted to Earth and Space Science that is relevant. Lidia also wrote a relevant paper and submitted it to Mon. Wea. Rev., but she should send it to you if she wishes. It's title is The Value of Radio Occultation Data in Global NWP: An OSSE on the Impact of Profile Volume, Geographical Distribution, and Satellite Bias Correction. My takeaway from both of these papers is that the number of observations is more important than their distribution for NWP. However, there are advantages to nearly uniform geographical and temporal coverage. With all satellites in the same polar orbits, there are gaps in local time coverage and this can be important in NWP for specific cases, such as tropical cyclone formation. Even though all local time coverage is of relatively minor importance to NWP, it is much more important for climate and essential for space weather. All considered, a mix of low- and high- inclination constellations is optimal for all purposes, and our 20K profiles per day number is still a good goal. I am sorry I won't be at the IROWG meeting in September. Rick Dr.Richard A. Anthes President Emeritus University Corporation for Atmospheric Research 3090 Center Green Drive Boulder, CO 80301 Office: FL-4 Room 3248 Phone: 303-497-2617 Fax: 303-497-2610 On Thu, Jul 16, 2026 at 1:15 PM Mannucci, Anthony J (US 3620) via Announcements <announcements@lists.irowg.org<mailto:announcements@lists.irowg.org>> wrote: Dear IROWG colleagues, At the latest Coordination Group for Meteorological Satellites (CGMS) plenary meeting (June 2026), IROWG was notified that CGMS Working Group III (WGIII) tasked IROWG with coordinating a scientific assessment of the impact of the decline in COSMIC-2 radio occultation (RO) observations expected as the constellation ages. The IROWG assessment is to inform the next WGIII Risk Assessment Workshop (24–26 February 2027). FYI, IROWG is under CGMS-WGII (Satellite data and products), while WGIII is the Working Group on Operational Continuity and Contingency Planning. The action reads: Action # Actionee AGN item Description Action feedback/closing document Deadline Status 54.01p_wgiii IROWG WGIII IROWG to assess the impact of the decline in COSMIC data availability, possibly distinguishing between the respective contributions of low- and medium-inclination orbit, and analysing the number of RO required to mitigate the risk 4 June 2026 - A follow-up call will be arranged to better understand how the action item supports agency priorities - IROWG can help coordinate an assessment - The timeline for completing the assessment depends on the detailed plan for conducting the assessment End of 2026 (9th WGIII RAWS: 24-26 Feb 2027) OPEN WGIII has indicated that “we do not need IROWG to weigh in on the potential acquisitions strategies for data, but rather to provide information about what data is needed to maintain capabilities and/or mitigate loss of COSMIC-2.The purpose of the action is for IROWG to provide information to WGIII in advance of the next Risk Assessment to inform WGIII discussion/evaluation of risk posed by degradation/loss of COSMIC-2 and, if needed, discussion of potential contingencies to mitigate loss of COSMIC-2. The questions WGIII would like the IROWG to answer are: 1. >From a scientific perspective, what is the minimum number of equatorial (low inclination) RO needed to maintain current performance of operational NWP 2. Define what they mean by low inclination (clarify the orbital characteristics for low inclination so we can be sure we are all talking about the same thing) 3. Identify if there are options to use increases in the number of non-low inclination RO to mitigate the loss of COSMIC 2 and if so, to be specific about how many additional occultations (be specific about number and distribution needed). " The IROWG Co-Chairs will meet with WGIII shortly after IROWG-11 (September 2026) to provide an update on the community's progress. Therefore, we would like to begin gathering relevant information before the workshop and continue the discussion during IROWG-11. We would greatly appreciate hearing from anyone who has: * existing publications, reports, or presentations relevant to the impact of declining COSMIC-2 observations; * ongoing studies or planned work related to this topic; * operational or research experience that could help inform the scientific assessment. We recognize that IROWG is an international scientific working group, and contributions are entirely voluntary. Existing analyses, ongoing work, and expert perspectives are all valuable. If there is sufficient interest, the IROWG Co-Chairs would also be happy to organize an informal community discussion before IROWG-11 to exchange ideas and help facilitate discussion during the workshop. If you have relevant material or would like to contribute to this assessment, please contact the IROWG Co-Chairs at your convenience. Thank you in advance for your help and for supporting this community effort. Best regards, Hui Shao and Uli Foelsche, IROWG Co-Chairs Tony Mannucci, IROWG Rapporteur _______________________________________________ Announcements mailing list -- announcements@lists.irowg.org<mailto:announcements@lists.irowg.org> To unsubscribe send an email to announcements-leave@lists.irowg.org<mailto:announcements-leave@lists.irowg.org>
Tony and all, This is an important topic, and we do need further discussion. However, due to the travel restrictions, I will not be in IROWG (Dr. Changyong Cao, the head of STAR SMCD, will be there). I am available for online meetings if needed. Best for all, Ben *==============================================* *Shu-peng Ben Ho, Ph. D.* *GNSS Radio Occultation Physical** Scientist* *NOAA Center for Satellite Applications and Research (STAR)* *NCWCP, E/RA-21 Office# 2824* *5830 University Research Court, * *Riverdale Park, MD 20737* *Tel : (301) 683-3596* *Email: shu-peng.ho@noaa.gov <shu-peng.ho@noaa.gov>* *STAR GNSS RO Center: **https://gpsmet.umd.edu/gnssro/index.php <https://gpsmet.umd.edu/gnssro/index.php>* *STAR GNSS RO Data Service: **https://gpsmet.umd.edu/gnssro/download.php <https://gpsmet.umd.edu/gnssro/download.php>* *Publication: researchgate.net/profile/Shu-Peng-Ho/publications <http://researchgate.net/profile/Shu-Peng-Ho/publications>* *==============================================* On Thu, Aug 6, 2026 at 1:31 AM Mannucci, Anthony J (US 3620) via Announcements <announcements@lists.irowg.org> wrote:
Thanks for these results!
I am forwarding this also to Hui Shao and Uli Foelsche. We’ll want to discuss this at the IROWG meeting.
-Tony
*From: *Richard Anthes via Announcements <announcements@lists.irowg.org> *Date: *Sunday, July 26, 2026 at 11:06 AM *To: *Mannucci, Anthony J (US 3620) via Announcements < announcements@lists.irowg.org> *Cc: *Prive, Nikki C. (GSFC-610.1)[MORGAN STATE UNIV.] < nikki.prive@nasa.gov>; Cucurull, Lidia <Lidia.Cucurull@noaa.gov>; Richard Anthes <anthes@ucar.edu> *Subject: *[EXTERNAL] [IROWG Announcements] Re: FW: Announcement draft for IROWG - WG III action
Dear Tony, Here is a paper Nikki Prive, I, and others submitted to Earth and Space Science that is relevant. Lidia also wrote a relevant paper and submitted it to Mon. Wea. Rev., but she should send it to you if she wishes. It's title is *The Value of Radio Occultation Data in Global NWP: An OSSE on the Impact of Profile Volume, Geographical Distribution, and Satellite Bias Correction.*
My takeaway from both of these papers is that the number of observations is more important than their distribution for NWP. However, there are advantages to nearly uniform geographical and temporal coverage. With all satellites in the same polar orbits, there are gaps in local time coverage and this can be important in NWP for specific cases, such as tropical cyclone formation.
Even though all local time coverage is of relatively minor importance to NWP, it is much more important for climate and essential for space weather. All considered, a mix of low- and high- inclination constellations is optimal for all purposes, and our 20K profiles per day number is still a good goal.
I am sorry I won't be at the IROWG meeting in September.
Rick
Dr.Richard A. Anthes
President Emeritus University Corporation for Atmospheric Research 3090 Center Green Drive Boulder, CO 80301
Office: FL-4 Room 3248
Phone: 303-497-2617 Fax: 303-497-2610
On Thu, Jul 16, 2026 at 1:15 PM Mannucci, Anthony J (US 3620) via Announcements <announcements@lists.irowg.org> wrote:
Dear IROWG colleagues, At the latest Coordination Group for Meteorological Satellites (CGMS) plenary meeting (June 2026), IROWG was notified that CGMS Working Group III (WGIII) tasked IROWG with coordinating a scientific assessment of the impact of the decline in COSMIC-2 radio occultation (RO) observations expected as the constellation ages. The IROWG assessment is to inform the next WGIII Risk Assessment Workshop (24–26 February 2027). FYI, IROWG is under CGMS-WGII (Satellite data and products), while WGIII is the Working Group on Operational Continuity and Contingency Planning. The action reads:
*Action #*
*Actionee*
*AGN item*
*Description*
*Action feedback/closing document*
*Deadline*
*Status*
*54.01p_wgiii*
IROWG
WGIII
IROWG to assess the impact of the decline in COSMIC data availability, possibly distinguishing between the respective contributions of low- and medium-inclination orbit, and analysing the number of RO required to mitigate the risk
4 June 2026 - A follow-up call will be arranged to better understand how the action item supports agency priorities - IROWG can help coordinate an assessment - The timeline for completing the assessment depends on the detailed plan for conducting the assessment
End of 2026
(9th WGIII RAWS: 24-26 Feb 2027)
*OPEN*
WGIII has indicated that “we do not need IROWG to weigh in on the potential acquisitions strategies for data, but rather to provide information about what data is needed to maintain capabilities and/or mitigate loss of COSMIC-2.The purpose of the action is for IROWG to provide information to WGIII in advance of the next Risk Assessment to inform WGIII discussion/evaluation of risk posed by degradation/loss of COSMIC-2 and, if needed, discussion of potential contingencies to mitigate loss of COSMIC-2. The questions WGIII would like the IROWG to answer are:
1. >From a scientific perspective, what is the minimum number of equatorial (low inclination) RO needed to maintain current performance of operational NWP 2. Define what they mean by low inclination (clarify the orbital characteristics for low inclination so we can be sure we are all talking about the same thing) 3. Identify if there are options to use increases in the number of non-low inclination RO to mitigate the loss of COSMIC 2 and if so, to be specific about how many additional occultations (be specific about number and distribution needed). "
The IROWG Co-Chairs will meet with WGIII shortly after IROWG-11 (September 2026) to provide an update on the community's progress. Therefore, we would like to begin gathering relevant information before the workshop and continue the discussion during IROWG-11.
We would greatly appreciate hearing from anyone who has:
- existing publications, reports, or presentations relevant to the impact of declining COSMIC-2 observations; - ongoing studies or planned work related to this topic; - operational or research experience that could help inform the scientific assessment.
We recognize that IROWG is an international scientific working group, and contributions are entirely voluntary. Existing analyses, ongoing work, and expert perspectives are all valuable.
If there is sufficient interest, the IROWG Co-Chairs would also be happy to organize an informal community discussion before IROWG-11 to exchange ideas and help facilitate discussion during the workshop.
If you have relevant material or would like to contribute to this assessment, please contact the IROWG Co-Chairs at your convenience.
Thank you in advance for your help and for supporting this community effort.
Best regards, Hui Shao and Uli Foelsche, IROWG Co-Chairs Tony Mannucci, IROWG Rapporteur
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Sorry to hear that you won't make it. Are Xi, Yong or any others from STAR able to come? Jonathan Brandmeyer SVP of Software Engineering PlanetiQ On Thu, Aug 6, 2026, 6:01 AM Shu-peng Ho - NOAA Federal via Announcements < announcements@lists.irowg.org> wrote:
Tony and all,
This is an important topic, and we do need further discussion.
However, due to the travel restrictions, I will not be in IROWG (Dr. Changyong Cao, the head of STAR SMCD, will be there).
I am available for online meetings if needed.
Best for all,
Ben
*==============================================*
*Shu-peng Ben Ho, Ph. D.*
*GNSS Radio Occultation Physical** Scientist* *NOAA Center for Satellite Applications and Research (STAR)*
*NCWCP, E/RA-21 Office# 2824*
*5830 University Research Court, <https://www.google.com/maps/search/5830+University+Research+Court,%C2%A0+Riverdale+Park,+MD+20737?entry=gmail&source=g>*
*Riverdale Park, MD 20737 <https://www.google.com/maps/search/5830+University+Research+Court,%C2%A0+Riverdale+Park,+MD+20737?entry=gmail&source=g>*
*Tel : (301) 683-3596*
*Email: shu-peng.ho@noaa.gov <shu-peng.ho@noaa.gov>*
*STAR GNSS RO Center: **https://gpsmet.umd.edu/gnssro/index.php <https://gpsmet.umd.edu/gnssro/index.php>* *STAR GNSS RO Data Service: **https://gpsmet.umd.edu/gnssro/download.php <https://gpsmet.umd.edu/gnssro/download.php>*
*Publication: researchgate.net/profile/Shu-Peng-Ho/publications <http://researchgate.net/profile/Shu-Peng-Ho/publications>*
*==============================================*
On Thu, Aug 6, 2026 at 1:31 AM Mannucci, Anthony J (US 3620) via Announcements <announcements@lists.irowg.org> wrote:
Thanks for these results!
I am forwarding this also to Hui Shao and Uli Foelsche. We’ll want to discuss this at the IROWG meeting.
-Tony
*From: *Richard Anthes via Announcements <announcements@lists.irowg.org> *Date: *Sunday, July 26, 2026 at 11:06 AM *To: *Mannucci, Anthony J (US 3620) via Announcements < announcements@lists.irowg.org> *Cc: *Prive, Nikki C. (GSFC-610.1)[MORGAN STATE UNIV.] < nikki.prive@nasa.gov>; Cucurull, Lidia <Lidia.Cucurull@noaa.gov>; Richard Anthes <anthes@ucar.edu> *Subject: *[EXTERNAL] [IROWG Announcements] Re: FW: Announcement draft for IROWG - WG III action
Dear Tony, Here is a paper Nikki Prive, I, and others submitted to Earth and Space Science that is relevant. Lidia also wrote a relevant paper and submitted it to Mon. Wea. Rev., but she should send it to you if she wishes. It's title is *The Value of Radio Occultation Data in Global NWP: An OSSE on the Impact of Profile Volume, Geographical Distribution, and Satellite Bias Correction.*
My takeaway from both of these papers is that the number of observations is more important than their distribution for NWP. However, there are advantages to nearly uniform geographical and temporal coverage. With all satellites in the same polar orbits, there are gaps in local time coverage and this can be important in NWP for specific cases, such as tropical cyclone formation.
Even though all local time coverage is of relatively minor importance to NWP, it is much more important for climate and essential for space weather. All considered, a mix of low- and high- inclination constellations is optimal for all purposes, and our 20K profiles per day number is still a good goal.
I am sorry I won't be at the IROWG meeting in September.
Rick
Dr.Richard A. Anthes
President Emeritus University Corporation for Atmospheric Research3090 Center Green Drive Boulder, CO 80301 <https://www.google.com/maps/search/3090+Center+Green+Drive+%0D%0ABoulder,+CO%C2%A0+80301?entry=gmail&source=g>
Office: FL-4 Room 3248
Phone: 303-497-2617 Fax: 303-497-2610
On Thu, Jul 16, 2026 at 1:15 PM Mannucci, Anthony J (US 3620) via Announcements <announcements@lists.irowg.org> wrote:
Dear IROWG colleagues, At the latest Coordination Group for Meteorological Satellites (CGMS) plenary meeting (June 2026), IROWG was notified that CGMS Working Group III (WGIII) tasked IROWG with coordinating a scientific assessment of the impact of the decline in COSMIC-2 radio occultation (RO) observations expected as the constellation ages. The IROWG assessment is to inform the next WGIII Risk Assessment Workshop (24–26 February 2027). FYI, IROWG is under CGMS-WGII (Satellite data and products), while WGIII is the Working Group on Operational Continuity and Contingency Planning. The action reads:
*Action #*
*Actionee*
*AGN item*
*Description*
*Action feedback/closing document*
*Deadline*
*Status*
*54.01p_wgiii*
IROWG
WGIII
IROWG to assess the impact of the decline in COSMIC data availability, possibly distinguishing between the respective contributions of low- and medium-inclination orbit, and analysing the number of RO required to mitigate the risk
4 June 2026 - A follow-up call will be arranged to better understand how the action item supports agency priorities - IROWG can help coordinate an assessment - The timeline for completing the assessment depends on the detailed plan for conducting the assessment
End of 2026
(9th WGIII RAWS: 24-26 Feb 2027)
*OPEN*
WGIII has indicated that “we do not need IROWG to weigh in on the potential acquisitions strategies for data, but rather to provide information about what data is needed to maintain capabilities and/or mitigate loss of COSMIC-2.The purpose of the action is for IROWG to provide information to WGIII in advance of the next Risk Assessment to inform WGIII discussion/evaluation of risk posed by degradation/loss of COSMIC-2 and, if needed, discussion of potential contingencies to mitigate loss of COSMIC-2. The questions WGIII would like the IROWG to answer are:
1. >From a scientific perspective, what is the minimum number of equatorial (low inclination) RO needed to maintain current performance of operational NWP 2. Define what they mean by low inclination (clarify the orbital characteristics for low inclination so we can be sure we are all talking about the same thing) 3. Identify if there are options to use increases in the number of non-low inclination RO to mitigate the loss of COSMIC 2 and if so, to be specific about how many additional occultations (be specific about number and distribution needed). "
The IROWG Co-Chairs will meet with WGIII shortly after IROWG-11 (September 2026) to provide an update on the community's progress. Therefore, we would like to begin gathering relevant information before the workshop and continue the discussion during IROWG-11.
We would greatly appreciate hearing from anyone who has:
- existing publications, reports, or presentations relevant to the impact of declining COSMIC-2 observations; - ongoing studies or planned work related to this topic; - operational or research experience that could help inform the scientific assessment.
We recognize that IROWG is an international scientific working group, and contributions are entirely voluntary. Existing analyses, ongoing work, and expert perspectives are all valuable.
If there is sufficient interest, the IROWG Co-Chairs would also be happy to organize an informal community discussion before IROWG-11 to exchange ideas and help facilitate discussion during the workshop.
If you have relevant material or would like to contribute to this assessment, please contact the IROWG Co-Chairs at your convenience.
Thank you in advance for your help and for supporting this community effort.
Best regards, Hui Shao and Uli Foelsche, IROWG Co-Chairs Tony Mannucci, IROWG Rapporteur
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Xi and Will will be there. We can always schedule a separate online meeting whenever it is needed. BTW, I am a guest editor for a special GNSS RO issue. See https://www.mdpi.com/journal/remotesensing/special_issues/31G3890CC5 You and anyone from PlanetiQ are very welcome to submit your articles to update the community on your progress. The RO community shall be more than willing to know 1) your sensor characteristics 2) POD processing and retrievals 3) NWP impacts etc Best, Ben *==============================================* *Shu-peng Ben Ho, Ph. D.* *GNSS Radio Occultation Physical** Scientist* *NOAA Center for Satellite Applications and Research (STAR)* *NCWCP, E/RA-21 Office# 2824* *5830 University Research Court, * *Riverdale Park, MD 20737* *Tel : (301) 683-3596* *Email: shu-peng.ho@noaa.gov <shu-peng.ho@noaa.gov>* *STAR GNSS RO Center: **https://gpsmet.umd.edu/gnssro/index.php <https://gpsmet.umd.edu/gnssro/index.php>* *STAR GNSS RO Data Service: **https://gpsmet.umd.edu/gnssro/download.php <https://gpsmet.umd.edu/gnssro/download.php>* *Publication: researchgate.net/profile/Shu-Peng-Ho/publications <http://researchgate.net/profile/Shu-Peng-Ho/publications>* *==============================================* On Thu, Aug 6, 2026 at 8:37 AM Jonathan Brandmeyer via Announcements < announcements@lists.irowg.org> wrote:
Sorry to hear that you won't make it. Are Xi, Yong or any others from STAR able to come?
Jonathan Brandmeyer SVP of Software Engineering PlanetiQ
On Thu, Aug 6, 2026, 6:01 AM Shu-peng Ho - NOAA Federal via Announcements < announcements@lists.irowg.org> wrote:
Tony and all,
This is an important topic, and we do need further discussion.
However, due to the travel restrictions, I will not be in IROWG (Dr. Changyong Cao, the head of STAR SMCD, will be there).
I am available for online meetings if needed.
Best for all,
Ben
*==============================================*
*Shu-peng Ben Ho, Ph. D.*
*GNSS Radio Occultation Physical** Scientist* *NOAA Center for Satellite Applications and Research (STAR)*
*NCWCP, E/RA-21 Office# 2824*
*5830 University Research Court, <https://www.google.com/maps/search/5830+University+Research+Court,%C2%A0+Riverdale+Park,+MD+20737?entry=gmail&source=g>*
*Riverdale Park, MD 20737 <https://www.google.com/maps/search/5830+University+Research+Court,%C2%A0+Riverdale+Park,+MD+20737?entry=gmail&source=g>*
*Tel : (301) 683-3596*
*Email: shu-peng.ho@noaa.gov <shu-peng.ho@noaa.gov>*
*STAR GNSS RO Center: **https://gpsmet.umd.edu/gnssro/index.php <https://gpsmet.umd.edu/gnssro/index.php>* *STAR GNSS RO Data Service: **https://gpsmet.umd.edu/gnssro/download.php <https://gpsmet.umd.edu/gnssro/download.php>*
*Publication: researchgate.net/profile/Shu-Peng-Ho/publications <http://researchgate.net/profile/Shu-Peng-Ho/publications>*
*==============================================*
On Thu, Aug 6, 2026 at 1:31 AM Mannucci, Anthony J (US 3620) via Announcements <announcements@lists.irowg.org> wrote:
Thanks for these results!
I am forwarding this also to Hui Shao and Uli Foelsche. We’ll want to discuss this at the IROWG meeting.
-Tony
*From: *Richard Anthes via Announcements <announcements@lists.irowg.org> *Date: *Sunday, July 26, 2026 at 11:06 AM *To: *Mannucci, Anthony J (US 3620) via Announcements < announcements@lists.irowg.org> *Cc: *Prive, Nikki C. (GSFC-610.1)[MORGAN STATE UNIV.] < nikki.prive@nasa.gov>; Cucurull, Lidia <Lidia.Cucurull@noaa.gov>; Richard Anthes <anthes@ucar.edu> *Subject: *[EXTERNAL] [IROWG Announcements] Re: FW: Announcement draft for IROWG - WG III action
Dear Tony, Here is a paper Nikki Prive, I, and others submitted to Earth and Space Science that is relevant. Lidia also wrote a relevant paper and submitted it to Mon. Wea. Rev., but she should send it to you if she wishes. It's title is *The Value of Radio Occultation Data in Global NWP: An OSSE on the Impact of Profile Volume, Geographical Distribution, and Satellite Bias Correction.*
My takeaway from both of these papers is that the number of observations is more important than their distribution for NWP. However, there are advantages to nearly uniform geographical and temporal coverage. With all satellites in the same polar orbits, there are gaps in local time coverage and this can be important in NWP for specific cases, such as tropical cyclone formation.
Even though all local time coverage is of relatively minor importance to NWP, it is much more important for climate and essential for space weather. All considered, a mix of low- and high- inclination constellations is optimal for all purposes, and our 20K profiles per day number is still a good goal.
I am sorry I won't be at the IROWG meeting in September.
Rick
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On Thu, Jul 16, 2026 at 1:15 PM Mannucci, Anthony J (US 3620) via Announcements <announcements@lists.irowg.org> wrote:
Dear IROWG colleagues, At the latest Coordination Group for Meteorological Satellites (CGMS) plenary meeting (June 2026), IROWG was notified that CGMS Working Group III (WGIII) tasked IROWG with coordinating a scientific assessment of the impact of the decline in COSMIC-2 radio occultation (RO) observations expected as the constellation ages. The IROWG assessment is to inform the next WGIII Risk Assessment Workshop (24–26 February 2027). FYI, IROWG is under CGMS-WGII (Satellite data and products), while WGIII is the Working Group on Operational Continuity and Contingency Planning. The action reads:
*Action #*
*Actionee*
*AGN item*
*Description*
*Action feedback/closing document*
*Deadline*
*Status*
*54.01p_wgiii*
IROWG
WGIII
IROWG to assess the impact of the decline in COSMIC data availability, possibly distinguishing between the respective contributions of low- and medium-inclination orbit, and analysing the number of RO required to mitigate the risk
4 June 2026 - A follow-up call will be arranged to better understand how the action item supports agency priorities - IROWG can help coordinate an assessment - The timeline for completing the assessment depends on the detailed plan for conducting the assessment
End of 2026
(9th WGIII RAWS: 24-26 Feb 2027)
*OPEN*
WGIII has indicated that “we do not need IROWG to weigh in on the potential acquisitions strategies for data, but rather to provide information about what data is needed to maintain capabilities and/or mitigate loss of COSMIC-2.The purpose of the action is for IROWG to provide information to WGIII in advance of the next Risk Assessment to inform WGIII discussion/evaluation of risk posed by degradation/loss of COSMIC-2 and, if needed, discussion of potential contingencies to mitigate loss of COSMIC-2. The questions WGIII would like the IROWG to answer are:
1. >From a scientific perspective, what is the minimum number of equatorial (low inclination) RO needed to maintain current performance of operational NWP 2. Define what they mean by low inclination (clarify the orbital characteristics for low inclination so we can be sure we are all talking about the same thing) 3. Identify if there are options to use increases in the number of non-low inclination RO to mitigate the loss of COSMIC 2 and if so, to be specific about how many additional occultations (be specific about number and distribution needed). "
The IROWG Co-Chairs will meet with WGIII shortly after IROWG-11 (September 2026) to provide an update on the community's progress. Therefore, we would like to begin gathering relevant information before the workshop and continue the discussion during IROWG-11.
We would greatly appreciate hearing from anyone who has:
- existing publications, reports, or presentations relevant to the impact of declining COSMIC-2 observations; - ongoing studies or planned work related to this topic; - operational or research experience that could help inform the scientific assessment.
We recognize that IROWG is an international scientific working group, and contributions are entirely voluntary. Existing analyses, ongoing work, and expert perspectives are all valuable.
If there is sufficient interest, the IROWG Co-Chairs would also be happy to organize an informal community discussion before IROWG-11 to exchange ideas and help facilitate discussion during the workshop.
If you have relevant material or would like to contribute to this assessment, please contact the IROWG Co-Chairs at your convenience.
Thank you in advance for your help and for supporting this community effort.
Best regards, Hui Shao and Uli Foelsche, IROWG Co-Chairs Tony Mannucci, IROWG Rapporteur
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[like] Heikki Pohjola reacted to your message: ________________________________ From: Richard Anthes via Announcements <announcements@lists.irowg.org> Sent: Saturday, 25 July 2026 13:33:33 To: Mannucci, Anthony J (US 3620) via Announcements <announcements@lists.irowg.org> Cc: Prive, Nikki C. (GSFC-610.1)[MORGAN STATE UNIV.] <nikki.prive@nasa.gov>; Lidia CUCURULL <lidia.cucurull@noaa.gov>; Richard Anthes <anthes@ucar.edu> Subject: [IROWG Announcements] Re: FW: Announcement draft for IROWG - WG III action CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the WMO. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Dear Tony, Here is a paper Nikki Prive, I, and others submitted to Earth and Space Science that is relevant. Lidia also wrote a relevant paper and submitted it to Mon. Wea. Rev., but she should send it to you if she wishes. It's title is The Value of Radio Occultation Data in Global NWP: An OSSE on the Impact of Profile Volume, Geographical Distribution, and Satellite Bias Correction. My takeaway from both of these papers is that the number of observations is more important than their distribution for NWP. However, there are advantages to nearly uniform geographical and temporal coverage. With all satellites in the same polar orbits, there are gaps in local time coverage and this can be important in NWP for specific cases, such as tropical cyclone formation. Even though all local time coverage is of relatively minor importance to NWP, it is much more important for climate and essential for space weather. All considered, a mix of low- and high- inclination constellations is optimal for all purposes, and our 20K profiles per day number is still a good goal. I am sorry I won't be at the IROWG meeting in September. Rick Dr.Richard A. Anthes President Emeritus University Corporation for Atmospheric Research 3090 Center Green Drive Boulder, CO 80301 Office: FL-4 Room 3248 Phone: 303-497-2617 Fax: 303-497-2610 On Thu, Jul 16, 2026 at 1:15 PM Mannucci, Anthony J (US 3620) via Announcements <announcements@lists.irowg.org<mailto:announcements@lists.irowg.org>> wrote: Dear IROWG colleagues, At the latest Coordination Group for Meteorological Satellites (CGMS) plenary meeting (June 2026), IROWG was notified that CGMS Working Group III (WGIII) tasked IROWG with coordinating a scientific assessment of the impact of the decline in COSMIC-2 radio occultation (RO) observations expected as the constellation ages. The IROWG assessment is to inform the next WGIII Risk Assessment Workshop (24–26 February 2027). FYI, IROWG is under CGMS-WGII (Satellite data and products), while WGIII is the Working Group on Operational Continuity and Contingency Planning. The action reads: Action # Actionee AGN item Description Action feedback/closing document Deadline Status 54.01p_wgiii IROWG WGIII IROWG to assess the impact of the decline in COSMIC data availability, possibly distinguishing between the respective contributions of low- and medium-inclination orbit, and analysing the number of RO required to mitigate the risk 4 June 2026 - A follow-up call will be arranged to better understand how the action item supports agency priorities - IROWG can help coordinate an assessment - The timeline for completing the assessment depends on the detailed plan for conducting the assessment End of 2026 (9th WGIII RAWS: 24-26 Feb 2027) OPEN WGIII has indicated that “we do not need IROWG to weigh in on the potential acquisitions strategies for data, but rather to provide information about what data is needed to maintain capabilities and/or mitigate loss of COSMIC-2.The purpose of the action is for IROWG to provide information to WGIII in advance of the next Risk Assessment to inform WGIII discussion/evaluation of risk posed by degradation/loss of COSMIC-2 and, if needed, discussion of potential contingencies to mitigate loss of COSMIC-2. The questions WGIII would like the IROWG to answer are: 1. >From a scientific perspective, what is the minimum number of equatorial (low inclination) RO needed to maintain current performance of operational NWP 2. Define what they mean by low inclination (clarify the orbital characteristics for low inclination so we can be sure we are all talking about the same thing) 3. Identify if there are options to use increases in the number of non-low inclination RO to mitigate the loss of COSMIC 2 and if so, to be specific about how many additional occultations (be specific about number and distribution needed). " The IROWG Co-Chairs will meet with WGIII shortly after IROWG-11 (September 2026) to provide an update on the community's progress. Therefore, we would like to begin gathering relevant information before the workshop and continue the discussion during IROWG-11. We would greatly appreciate hearing from anyone who has: * existing publications, reports, or presentations relevant to the impact of declining COSMIC-2 observations; * ongoing studies or planned work related to this topic; * operational or research experience that could help inform the scientific assessment. We recognize that IROWG is an international scientific working group, and contributions are entirely voluntary. Existing analyses, ongoing work, and expert perspectives are all valuable. If there is sufficient interest, the IROWG Co-Chairs would also be happy to organize an informal community discussion before IROWG-11 to exchange ideas and help facilitate discussion during the workshop. If you have relevant material or would like to contribute to this assessment, please contact the IROWG Co-Chairs at your convenience. Thank you in advance for your help and for supporting this community effort. Best regards, Hui Shao and Uli Foelsche, IROWG Co-Chairs Tony Mannucci, IROWG Rapporteur _______________________________________________ Announcements mailing list -- announcements@lists.irowg.org<mailto:announcements@lists.irowg.org> To unsubscribe send an email to announcements-leave@lists.irowg.org<mailto:announcements-leave@lists.irowg.org>
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Heikki Pohjola -
Jonathan Brandmeyer -
Mannucci, Anthony J (US 3620) -
Richard Anthes -
Shu-peng Ho - NOAA Federal